🧪Floaty Rocks Friday! LK99 recap, space 🤠, 🇷🇺 🐱 🧒 & RTSC applications

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I I wasn't thinking before. You know, the the weird thing about Twitter Spaces is there's a cool music kind of playing, and I so want to be able to kind of unmute myself. and say, hi, everyone. We'll get started in a second, and then just mute again and have the music play again. It's not possible. The music goes away the second somebody starts speaking, And then we're in this, and we have to present the show, and we have to say hi. So this is what we'll do. We'll say hi to everyone here, in the space. This is the I don't know. I think I've stopped counting what number of spaces, this is, but Eli, we've we've been at for for a while.

And, I think folks found great interest in coming and listening to folks actually talk in addition to following, And so we're committed. I'm committed. I wanna thank Eli for co hosting this one. and I wanna thank Samkhan and Yuri on stage. and we're gonna talk about all of these folks in a second. but I also wanna thank everybody who's been coming to the spaces, telling us to proceed, telling us that it's it's actually very helpful to to have a space to host these conversations, these experts.

We've had some incredible people come many of what they say flies directly above my head, because I'm not a scientist, not at all. and, this is why I have friends for subject matter experts on on here, and the friends who can translate the science. I am dedicated though to to create a space where everybody can kind of express ideas freely. this space, the first one, resulted in a room that this room now has incredible amount of information shared. And, we we call this the green room. There are many, many folks here.

in there, 2 of them with independent replication attempts. And, I think it's great that we have this And so with that, with this short intro, I see something unmuted. I wanna say hi to the folks on stage. feel free to introduce yourself and how like, why why are you in the space and what's your interest with LK99 and the discussion? I think some kind some kind you can go first.

Hello, everyone. Can can I agree on to you?

I can hear you. Loud and clear.

so I am a software engineer working on clustering software for the development of artificial intelligence system in South Korea Solar and, I don't know what I am doing, but, somehow I got involved and I really don't know what to say.

That's it. I I will say having tracked, you know, your your discussion of the issues. You're digging deep into the the history. You're you're in the right place to do some of it, in terms of library access to hard copies of things, you're diving deep and you are doing a really good job.

Thank you.

Absolutely. I will I will join this and say that, Sangham, without you in the group, we would have known way less. And the amount of stuff that you help kinda discover, really is really, like, in-depth. And I just wanna shout out your your friends as well. Right? It's not only you doing the research.

yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Because it it is a group effort. And, while I contributed a lot of it is done by my friend in, discord server in, Korean. And, these days, really my only role is to be a talk foreign protocol in English.

And translator. I think it's not less important the amount of translation that needs to happen. And I will just, maybe do a quick plug of of my own and why I'm here and why I'm fascinated with this, even though, said I'm not a scientist. I I love removing language better. This is this was my mission in life. I created their room to do this. When all of this started, I you know, there was not a lot of videos coming out. So I was just sitting here and helping folks translate, and this is how I connected to Suncon. but now there's a bunch of videos out, and there's a bunch of translation that needed. AI translation is great. It's still it's still not perfect.

There's a lot of low things and, euphemisms and and different, like, scientific stuff and Sanyan and and his team has been great at, like, pinpointing those as well. And I think even, Sangham, the the one thing that I want I can always come back to is that There's a process and we're gonna talk about this maybe at length. There's there's something with a quartz tube that cracked that lets some oxygen in to potentially let this breakthrough. And I remember that this was a translation thing. None of the other papers had it. Only the Korean paper had it. you're you remember that? You talked about this a little bit.

And I I don't know the importance of this, but please talk about this a little bit as well.

well, what what do I need to say?

I I'll just you know what? I'll put a tweet up of the summary of this I think we've we've already talked about this. I just wanted to just sorry. And so I'll introduce, Eli, and then here as well. So, Eli, feel free to introduce yourself. I'll just say briefly that without you, these spaces likely will have been way less, scientific, when, you know, actual people who who do science unlike me come up, it's really great to have you talk talk about with them as well. So I thank you for co hosting and coming up and and, being here and feel free to introduce yourself, whatever you wanna say, and then we'll move on.

Well, sure.

So so the first thing I should say is is that, I am not, an expert in solid state physics, although I've I've worked in fields that are, like, kind adjacent, like, surface science and, quantum chemistry or computational chemistry, like, there were were a bunch of, papers that are preprints that came out on on density functional theory analyses, and I've done plenty of density functional, calculations, though, not on on, band structures, but on unrelated things, nanostructures and and molecules, to be specific.

so and and, you know, laboratory experience and in in, scanning time along microscopy and and related things. So so, not an not a subject matter expert, but, lots of related, background knowledge.

and also -- -- idea. Great. Let me just interject. Sorry. great ability to gonna down down things enough so that I understand that when when people way way smarter than me speak.

Well, thanks. I I never know how good a job. I do have that. also, you know, this is, I I was looking at a different nanomaterial in terms of super conductive activity in in, 2019 2020. And, actually, like, within the last week, I I revisited, you know, to see if any new papers had been published about that. And it turns out that I'd missed one.

that, that had been published, at the time, and, it shows the structures that I was getting in my calculations, even though like other groups had had been talking about a different structure. So I'm gonna be revisiting that as well because I kind of put that aside thinking my calculations must be garbage. so so, you know, the the other thing just in just taking a step back and talking about the history of science when you have a breakthrough like this it can shake out other things that, you know, might have been, put aside or run a ground, or, or people just had to move on to other things.

So, we will gain knowledge and, this will, probably ignite, you know, other things in in in, super conductivity research.

Yep. and I I I will say that I think we have Guam to thank for a lot of this because the open sourcing of the paper probably led to so many discussions in the open about specifically LK99, but also, you know, just the science around it, how to replicate peer review process, do good or bad, you know, the all of this.

and if we are effectively watching some like this get discovered, there was there was a denial from the steam from Q center that the folks who released Okin Ninety Nine, I think they tried to ask for, getting published and got denied or something like that. Right? And then they had to publish in Korea. And so and now every lab in the world with free, you know, foster red phosphorus and and and and lead and and copper trying to replicate this material. So, Definitely.

The -- Well, not not just trying, but, you know, with their their credible re reports of success.

Yes.

We'll get that.

couple, you know, but -- And I think -- But -- Yeah.

Go ahead. Go ahead. okay. So I just wanted to say, you know, there there's there's, like, some bad blood between the quantum energy research center. And the, if I'm remembering correctly, it's the, Korean ceramics and superconductor society or, or, perhaps see how you can correct me on that. But, the chair, posted, like, a a a really derisive and insulting tweet to the notion that these unknown people could possibly have, discovered a room temperature superconductor and ended it with bwah. So now he's nicknamed bwah, Doctor bwah.

and, it's quite reasonable for for, the quantum energy research center group to, be reluctant to let them, be the one to verify that, but, instead, you know, both go to others for for independent verification. And, and excuse me.

And -- I thought you had sound effects. I actually liked it.

I need to get sound effects. Well, that's that's that's a phone ringing, to decline that and also ask them, you know, what would their proposed, verification be for, you know, process be for for whenever they do decide to let them verify it?

So the society's name is Korean society of superconductivity and cryogenics. hence the acronym KSSC. And in use to to be the Korean society of goods conductivity and curiosity of cryogenics separately. And then they merge it sometimes in the past, And the even looking at the name, you can guess that I mean, If you have a room temperature, superconductor, you don't need to cryogen if don't you?

So just to find the name, you can guess that they could be hostile to the idea. Like, the society is about getting superconductivity through cryogenics and someone came that you don't need any cryogenics. And, And? So what happened is, okay. So I I need to prepare my English sentence to someone else.

Okay. Okay. so so, folks, I wanna just say hi to Yuri as well. are you able to speak up? Ira?

I hope. Do you hear me?

Yeah. We can hear you. And, loud and clear.

good. They installed it on desktop because I'm on I'm not on my phone.

This works on desktop?

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I seem to -- -- moving to the mic up for this next week.

I I think I'm also muting or something, though, but I'm not sure what's going on.

Alright. Alright. So so just a quick aside. Not really looking at at all. And this space is all hot, and I'm using, like, the AirPod mic and not like an actual studio production. And now if this is on spaces, folks get ready for a way better mic quality. Yuri, welcome to the States. This is your first time you've been part of the group and folks that have been calling you. Wikipedia has been copying you. Can you talk about your last week? Just looping in the queue.

jeez. I don't even know if I belong here. That's one way to reduce myself. so, there's this old 2000s There's this old 2000s hour style internet phone called space battles, which is full of sci fi notes, and I follow it. And they've been following this whole development themselves, and they've been compiling information on their end. And I suppose at some point, I just for well, why don't I compile some of that information and sum it up for myself personally? Just put it up there I didn't think anyone was using the LK99 hashtag here on Twitter.

And so I just stuck it up here, and then I somehow became a bridge from the old internet to the new internet. since that happened on a Monday, I more or less just missed everything because of work in my time zone. And that's kind of it. I suppose unless you have questions. I am not a subject matter expert at all.

So, I I do think you belong, and this is why I called you here. And the reason why I think you belong specifically is because you started, following this information closely, collecting it, and also sourcing it And so for folks who wanna follow, look at their application and, and it's not real real time. You really have to you have a day job. Like, like, Duncan has a day job. Like, many folks at the job also to do an addition to this, and I will call out, Andrew McCallop, the guy, the the space fire, who also had the day job and also, like, replicated.

and the folks are welcome to follow Yuri, Yuri's website where, like, there's a lot of replication sources many of them, you know, we they try to copy and not to a very great extent, but way before we keep it, yeah. And so I think definitely belong up here just because I also don't belong here. I also started like this exactly. I just collected a list of Twitter folks. I posted it. Many, many people started like years. And then I found Eli and and Sankajan kind of started learning to lose their list. And, yeah, here we are in in in helping the world understand what the hell is going on. So welcome, Yuri. Welcome.

I think I think it's it's good to to get started with, just a brief intro of what we're talking about. And, I'll I'll start and, you know, feel free to chime in and, like, interject. I'll do a brief one. What? July 20? Okay. Go ahead, Diane.

Yeah. So so I want to briefly talk about the, Korean verification committee scheme. And, so so he contact Kim interviewed about the verification and, his words are very enticing. Like, It's like the verification committee should not terrorize the poor business people like a gangster, while they are on debt and in a heartbreaking situation.

And he also said that if they want to sample, they should send the meeting minutes so far. And the the plan of verification, like, just to give us the sample is the ridiculous thing. So that's the interview we contacted did.

And I I just wanna, maybe roll it back a little bit, Duncan, before we get to I just wanna tell people who Hintech Kim is, and, like, who are the folks who are we were talking about briefly. And then we're gonna get into into the the discussions. Around July 23 years, I think July 22 23, a a paper was uploaded out of blue to this, what they call archive? the paper was talking about super, conductors in room temperature and ambient pressure, which is too many kind of the holy grail of material sciences. is this, incredible incredible finding. and many folks in the science community scoffed at it.

Not even seen this, I think. because many attempts of doing this were already happening, and there was, like, a recent retraction as well in science magazine. And, so people are especially in the science community. When they see something like this, it's not verified. It's not replicated. It's not being reviewed. They tend to they tend to, like, raise their eyebrow, especially when the process is messy. And this process was messy because 2 hours after the paper, another paper was uploaded. And this other paper has way more authors. and the only 2 authors that share are on both papers are Lee and Kim.

So LK99, Lee and Kim, and, they're working on a material. They quote, unquote, invented in 99 or found in 99. It goes deeper than this. And for depth, I recommend looking at the tweet, and we'll try to pin as many tweets as possible folks up on stage. If you scroll up to the top of your space, there's a pin tweet from, Sankan. There's a few of them with a in-depth analysis as to how this group came to be and how they found what they found.

So we, we're watching these two papers And then the internet goes kind of crazy with several, at least for me, it started on Twitter with several, viral kind of explanations of what's happening. And the fact that if this is as big as they claim, it is, a lot changes. I think, we had Andrew. I forget his last name all the time. Up here, he also worked at Superconductors.

he had a tweet on the impact of, room temperature, superconductors, like, 3 weeks before this news broke. And he recently said, superconductors only affect industries that has electricity in them. It's a joke. It's, of course, because the implication there is, like, everything changes. A lot of things having electricity in them. Like Eli said, a lot of, science that kind of accepted the fact that we're restricted in electricity transmission that electricity gets lost to heat. a lot of things change. Okay? So it's a huge claim, and everybody is waiting for it to get verified.

And, this essentially messy release made many people kind of scoff at this. However, the internet picked it up, like, internet picks up everything. The information stream, in large, helped by, hopefully, us and Yuri and and Sankhaan. And we started to see replication attempts because if the claims are as big, the additional credible thing about the paper is the the the process is not very complex, and it's fairly quick. And so the world could obviously see with quickness whether or not this replicates. And this is what we've seen for this week, and we're gonna talk about replication attempts.

And, again, helpful, helped by Yuri's kind of, addition, but I I just wanna go out kind of the first one, and this isn't that all the space. Andrew McCallick from VARTA Space. If you didn't see it yet, and I assume you did, if you're here, but if you didn't see it after a while, Andrew started with Miznorefector bust hashtag and started at the back of hardware space, just cooking LK99. And yesterday I posted a video with samples kinda gravitating.

you know, I I think could you do, like, a brief explanation of meissner effect that why we're watching for meissner effect and why why everybody wants to see the rock float and why it's not necessarily the the thing that we, like, have to look for.

Yeah. Well, yeah. So so it it it's a little bit unexpected because of the properties of LK99 or the the the what we think will be the properties of LK99, but it might not be exactly the meissner effect we shall see. but Okay. So if if you think about, a medium in which conductors can just flow without any resist at all. Right? They're gonna be moving around, just with thermal energy in an ordinary mid threed isotropic material, just in in any direction under thermal energy.

but then you apply a magnetic field and they will respond, you know, according to their velocity perpendicular to that field.

now they res because it's a superconductor and there's no resistance, there's no energy loss, you would get an internal you would get internal currents that wind up precisely cancelling out that field, which means that the field doesn't penetrate but instead, it w it winds up, going around, but one of the ways that it can quote go around is by, like, trying to expel the the superconductor from the field, and that balances against any other forces such as gravity.

Okay. So that's that's the ordinary type 2 superconductor. I won't get into the difference between type 2 and type 1. but LK91 is probably gonna be turned out to be a little bit different, be because it looks like the super con conductivity is in 1 dimensional quantum wells that are in the crystal structure of appetite.

And part of the difficulty is we still don't know anything at all about the micro microscopic structure or morphology, but these domains, given the way this is made, they're probably just like, you think think of grain grains that are just kind of melted together but there are grain boundaries. And within each grain, they can be oriented differently.

And that's, you know, also they're they're may be grains that are the right phase that Super conducts and then, you know, other phases of the solid solution that aren't quite right and superconductor are just insulators. That's another level of complexity. And you even saw this in the very first, three author preprint that was, the where they mentioned that, you know, we think that some some of the the nonideality of this, as a superconductor are due to grain boundaries, and that's highly believable.

I mean, especially, you know, this these are such early days, even though the material was first discovered in 1999. It wasn't looked at again for a long, long time. and, you know, the it's it's like this is this is like the 1st month in 1996 after the first quote, high temperature superconductors, were discovered. And it, it took a while, for things to get sorted out and refined.

So it, it, it, it's like that. besides it's, like, multiplied by the insanity of, you know, social media and open research and and no language barrier and immediate communication, all of the things that, you know, happen and done. but the intent is, like, similar. Please continue.

So, so I, the thing is in in the, in the original video that was posted by the the, quirk group, you know, they they should said levitation, but you see that it's kind of like leaning down on one side. And since then, we've seen other replication results where they do show, a magnetic torque at room temperature in the case of the, the was it was it the, the host replication or the southeast university replication.

They own theirs only worked at, a 110 Kelvin. but that that's easily explained by just, you know, they had fewer of the the, the one dimensional superconducting domains or or or grains of the right phase, so to speak. And I should step back and say that the methods that that this is made by the first method and then also Iris's method. it's remarkably simple, and also remarkably fruid, and it it wouldn't be surprise surprising if you get a real mess out of that.

And, so by mess, I mean, you know, only a fraction of, of your results, or, of, of your product is, is the actual superconducting domain. And there, there are other things from, from, Kim's, LinkedIn that suggest the same thing. and and also, you know, there's nothing to orient, the material together. So you're getting random orientations on until you, like, grind it up so that you're getting isolated domains, perhaps. Right?

Glad sometime.

Okay. So, now if you look at the, above the space, there are 4 tweets pinned, including links to the 3 write offs that our Korean group did The first one is called on LK99 paper that, explained the general background and what the three papers say that's very interesting because all three papers say, pi out of different synced, And, next to write off is about, so what the heck has happened with the X Ninety Nine merely.

It, about, so so there are some okay. Okay. So just to read the thing. It explained why things are this multi as they have and why everybody's confused. And the third, the right top is, very recently, There is the youth.

in Korea, there is a popular science, YouTuber called the state that created the channel 6 months ago And, this channel mostly reports on things like, how to use the CPT best and, about, what is this new peer code we created? Everyone wants to use for diet or something like that.

And, I don't know how they got on very long and informative interview of the contact team who is the server of the more detailed paper on order to archive. And, this is like the, most important interview and video released on the LK99 so far period. So we very hurriedly, did the full transcript and translation in the best way possible.

and we released the, just before that this space is started, like, I finished, like, a 5 minutes ago, and, please have a look.

tried to translate Resideo with the servers that that I've built. and, I also tried to see auto translation of Hinta Kim, in YouTube. And for some reason, this guy is untranslatable by AI. And so so I wanna I wanna definitely recommend you guys follow Sankajan the team because this, you know, there's limits to how much AI translation can do. I I was really surprised by the the weirdness of all this. However, Sankin, I agree that the questions they've asked were very impressive. And the answers he gave obviously went up, you know, above my head.

but the one thing that I took from this and that, like, with with certainty is that he he said basically this. This is superconductivity. It cannot be explained in any other way. Now I just wanna pause and say, have somebody commented, like, will we talk about the whole history of the whole thing in every space? And I don't think so. I think at some point, we'll we'll find a way to kinda bring folks up to speed.

However, it's important to know that, like, many new folks were just discovering this from the feed, from the excitement, from end user application attempts, etcetera, they, could cast out I think the scientific community did cast out on Q center for research because, Lee and Kim are not cited think anywhere. And, this was a fairly obscure group sitting in the basement in in Korea with not a lot of stuff. And the one person who works there who is cited a lot like a respectable scientist is this person of Yinta Kim who they brought on. I want to say last year, Sankin. Is that correct? Is new to the team?

And -- What?

Hintech Kim is a very new to the team in Q center. It's like last year or something.

We were not really clear about that question for a long time and our groups, the one of the highest priority custom did our group investigated was the custom when exactly Shanta's team joined the team and, how and why? And after why we were researching our system was simply answered by the, YouTube interview, and we now know exactly how So the Korean paper was published in April.

And, the corresponding author of the Korean paper is and, let me let me let me let me check again. Yes. Yeah. So so what happened is, contact team had worked on metal insulator trading transition for a long time, and he was looking for the next topic of research.

And, from when he was in an undergraduate school, So so so when when when John Tak Kim was in the university, Nobel Prize winner, loan copper came and did a lecture on the superconductivity, and he was so impressed that he made the Cooper as a his role model there. And, one day, I will research the superconductivity, and I share study physics in earnest.

And, after he was established, he decided that he need to research his superconductivity again. So so, like, he studied things for, like, 3 4 years. And in 2021, he came up with this theory. and tried to publish it, but, nobody would accept it. So he sent it to the scientific report which has a very low reputation because, it is a toppling knowledge that that donor never reject any papers submitted.

So, so what happened is that 2 center group was working on a paper that Korean paper that got published in April, and the that corresponding author of the group, Ogun Ho, was looking for a literature search to maybe maybe to do the citation in their paper. Like, the scientific paper is supposed to site the previous work they were inspired by. And then they founded the paper by contact Kim in the scientific reports, and they were so impressed by it. They contacted, contact team out of blue.

Like, contact team is a public employee at the entry. Entry is, let me A 3 is an acronym for electronics and the telecommunication research institute like the AT and T Bell Labs in the United States. And, this lab is very reputable. Like, they did the 1st, 2 third generation, service in the South Korea.

They were instrumental in that, and they pulled the really lots of patents on the, mobile communication technology. And therefore, this research institute Institute has a material science division and, Shanta Kim is an employee of it. And since this is a public institution, they have a phone book on the homepage, and the organ who contacted the Shonta Kim by, simply calling on the smartphone out of blue from the phone number listed on the public website, and that's how they work together.

So it's all in the interview. So, so, the interviews I think I saw 2 interviews. Maybe there's more now. I think, first of all, folks in the audience, just so you understand how depth, how deep the research goes in some kind of team, this is, you know, this is verified and over verified. And I wanna also highlight the importance of why we're stressed Hintech's team credibility. This is not like an out of the blue random person. This is when when when Hintech came says, hey. This is hard to explain by anything other than superconductivity.

it he has, well, age score of 43, which which in scientist terms, basically, his papers were cited at least 40 of them 40 times each. So, there's some debate whether or not the score is, which is overindicted the score. However, we highly report this in the game. It's like just some random dude who said, this is, you know, magic clothing rocks. This is a person who worked on periods of superconductivity then got brought into this queue center. And now He's the public face essentially. Right, Theo? I, also, it's. I don't think I saw, Lee or Kim in interviews in video.

Only some Only Junakim is the person that offered the second paper and is now kind of the public face of we have what we say we have.

No.

Actually. Oh, okay.

That was more. Actually, is the leader of the group, like the all the papers, birth to, sir, is Lee. And Lee interviewed a couple of times in Korean media But, like, Chantakim is very good at English, and he is a quite famous researcher. So he knows how to deal with the, journalist and the public media, and he is quite skillful at that, like, how he handled the the conflict with the Korean society of superconductivity and cryogenics. So this is my suspicion.

Well, maybe the group decided that, it is best for Shanta team to handle the all outside the public communication.

Yeah. And so, we see him a lot, and he's standing by this. And, maybe the last point I wanna say here in Eli field shame in is that, scientists like this don't, like, this is their break, make it or break it reputation. Right? Like, if he says this is what they claim it says, especially with this level of importance to the world. And, essentially, it's, like, faked or or fabricated. Like, we've seen this is, like, his reputation is basically gone. However, they still stand by this, and we see replication attempts, which we're gonna talk to about next.

Well, okay. So so the his reputation is is important. scientists actually, would rather find out if they're wrong, then, then just, assert that they're right. we try to be really careful to not, over over represent the power of our results or, or, have conclusions that are not well supported by our results, because your reputation is important. There there's it's it's okay to be wrong.

It's not okay to engage in fraud, I think, is is an important line to understand. But, the thing, the thing about science is you do your best to make your work replicatable by others so that nobody has take, your word for it so that nobody has to rely on your reputation or your lack of reputation if they see enough there to, want to try to reproduce your results. and the the, the team at Cork, you know, has has been reaching out to people.

There there have been some some issues and things that didn't didn't maybe look the greatest, but they are engaging with other people to, replicate their results and, we don't have any direct information, but, it's it's implied that they've they've already shared samples with with third parties for independent verification.

but also by now, you know, we have multiple, replication efforts, around the world, that have had different some who are part of our green room have had, what appears to be pretty good, levels of success, and at least in terms of showing the that not not precisely lev levitation, but torque. And I'll I'll get into the difference, at some point, between those two things.

But, you you wouldn't expect to see that if something unusual weren't going on, if you were following you know, the the the protocols in in the original papers or anything that reasonably corresponds to them.

Will will we have Andrew, my colleague here, this time?

I I invited Andrew, and Dreef, you're in the audience for free to come up. Andrew has publicly stated that after the the replication attempt succeeded, they're dead tired and he wants to disconnect for a bit, but Andrew is also part of the group. And, we we cheer we cheered with with with Glee, I barely fall until the sleep last night. I wanted to see, but they weren't live streaming the kind of the the discovery. I will say this one thing. Sandeep, before you before we continue, Andrew McAlatt and Duvard in kinda space. Yesterday was replicating. They, had, like, high quality cameras in there. I think, Josh forgot his name. he's like a youtuber.

He's going to eat, like, maybe tomorrow, a full breakdown of what they what they thought, which is gonna be great on hold after sure. But, yeah, no, Andrew is not here for now.

Just want to quickly mention the whole thing after he got it. he said, okay. So I've got the 4 gigabyte video. I I don't have a machine that I can edit it on here. And, like, I'm all, well, you could do the boneheaded thing taking a cell phone video of the video.

This is why this is why Andrew is the face cowboy this is kinda how he got started with this, just grabbing, you know, whatever materials and gunning through this. And I I, am going back always, and he, like, thank you and and different, feel free to chime in. I'm going back to the credibility of the offers to the fact that the purpose of our message to highlight this point. They are standing by this. the the person who's running, who's telling us they're standing by this, he's not, you know, he knows what he's talking about. He knows the difference between time, like, if he's in, regular debt, like, if he's in conductivity. He he has the theories.

And, we saw some replication attempts already happen. And Andrew McAlpine is 1. Iris Alexandra, the Russian quote unquote catgirl, is another. And, you know, a lot of doubt was was thrown towards death threat as well. And, you know, with by iris that was a 100% and, where?

Yeah. She she knows she knows her stuff.

Yeah. Iris knows her stuff. And and, I think even Wikipedia followed up, And at some point, there was, like, a posted statement that, like, Wikipedia doesn't wanna add the Russian Caddura from the Internet, and now that she's affiliated with the researching to she's on there as well. And, Yuri, I feel you have a comment on this as well.

not not a not a time to say, but I think there's something going on with people obsessing over the article and an inconsistent reliable source policy at the moment. Like, I used to edit Wikipedia quite often in the the the late in the late 2000, and I'm quite vigorous in my source checking. And I I was quite surprised when they seemed to copy my table at first because I definitely don't consider myself a good source, with everything going on at the moment. It's just the nature of the internet.

Yeah. Makes sense. go ahead, Duncan.

Also, So I want to talk about how I see the whole thing. And, from the various interview and statement related from the group and the papers themselves. It is very clear that the group believes that they are claimed. but the important thing is that it's very different from whether they are right or wrong.

But at this point, it got replicated multiple times, like the there is an original group in South Korea and the very first to replication in the world was done in Russia. And then there were multiple sources states in China. And we also got the sources from the United States, and there is a claim from Germany. They succeeded that I can't really evaluate yet. I think it might be a fake.

So even if the Germany claim is a fake, we have, like, 5 or 6 replication so far. So I think the, phenomena of the, social, what happens like it that's the partial limitation and things like that are confirmed beyond any doubt so far. but that does not mean it is the superconductor. And the I mean, the thing is very unclear how we would test for the super conductivity and whether it is a super conduct.

whether it is a superconductor. So and, I mean, you could measure the electrical resistance And I think the Andrew Metrol is the sample is on is going to the lab for measurement address pick, and I called from the I reached Alexandra that power sample went to the most Kuba Engineering And Physics Institute, and they got, the shot from the particular accelerator beam line.

And, it is also the reported from the South Korea media that the sample is in the Korean energy university that is the subsidiary of the Korean electronics electricity and power company that is the transmission and distribution of electricity, the monopoly company in South Korea, and they are doing the investigate getting this interesting material with the electronic microscope.

So so we will know Sometimes in the future, there are actual samples in around the world, and there are expensive in 2 months looking at them. And okay. I I need to prepare what I would talk English.

So, adding to this, if folks look on top of the space, National Taiwan University is also currently in the final stage of their superconductor attempt, replicating attempt, and live streaming. I think I'm pretty sure on YouTube. And, so we see and Ira talked maybe a little bit about this as well. see kind of gung ho Twitter folks like Andrew and Ira, you know, doing this on the back of their, like, after their day job, and we also see a lot of national huge laboratories and, you know, the hostings in China and Southeast in China, and I will look at, Taiwan University.

It looks like everybody's now stumped, stumped, and some of the claims make sense. Right? Like, the these are the this is the process to make this material. It it's lead and copper and some other stuff, and it has very, very efficient property. these, but the promise that the this is, I think, what people wanna know, most of all, and Eli also feel free to jump in. The promise of, like, the holy grail, the superconductor material temperature that we can start using for, in, you know, in pretty much everywhere we use electricity, that is still yet to be clear whether or not this is coming. Correct? Is this a fair summary, Eli?

yeah. and I'll I'll mention that, you know, depending on the quality of of the samples, it could be, you know, a genuine superconductor, but it could still be, you know, difficult, to get good measurements until you get good quality samples. And we haven't seen any microscopic images, so far to my knowledge. I actually just did a type of, of analysis that, Iris Alexander was really excited to hear it because she knew somebody who's able to do that.

so and and that doesn't take terribly long. So, those results actually, see the light of day before the results, the measurements that she was working working on, and and are still underway. Right? and and I think that's gonna be the story from a lot of places you know, different teams have different, instruments, different expertise, and, it's a matter of, you know, having the right combination of things come together.

the, the other thing that I wanted to mention is what's unique about, iris's approach, and this is probably why she had the first, replication because it takes it takes a certain amount of time even once you have all the materials. And she figured out as I kind of thought that, original 2 preprints from quirk, were some kind of curious choices in terms of the reactants.

And I'm not knocking them at all because there's probably some history that led them to that, and it's reasonable to stick with what you you have working, but approaching it to Novo, she tried some different materials that that do make sense and, and just improvised it. And in in her reaction, that avoids some of the time consuming steps. So she was able to produce it more quickly is what I'm getting at.

I wanna also say there's a 30, but that's not gonna just one second, please. Isn't it? I'll also say that there's an important point to make here where I started as an obscure account with, like, 300 followers and started, like, saying, hey. I'm doing this in my know, wrapped in kitchen, and this, like, led a lot of people to chuckle. Now she's affiliated, like, and all of this time she was affiliated with the, the great institute, I think, and now she's working with the master institute. But, there's a lab there attached to this, and her process was, you know, nonstandard, but it was definitely the quickest of some non traditional approaches.

And Iris texted, I think all of us a picture, that she's discussing some of these findings with, Pokrovsky, I think Pokrovsky's, let me let me find. Yeah. Sergei Pokrovsky, to get Prokoski is the author of, Ancetropic gap equations in superconductivity theory. And there's, like, extreme interest of different scientists, that that, like, people talk with, both from that angle different other angles. I'm sure Andrew McCallip is getting, like, a lot of interest now. I even seen, you know, I must reply to one of these, but, like, I'm sure that, like, labs is talking to them as well.

and the guy, the the the gift requesting guy, the guy would like articles about the superconductivity He's also stomped a little bit. He's like, I'm not really sure how, like, super complicated is, like, formed in in some of these connections. and he's like, there's a lot of questions, to be asked.

And one thing he said, like, Landau, it's better to just do and then test versus, like, simulate and and try to figure this out, which I think I think is -- To to to develop theories in in absence of because all ultimately, you can have really beautiful theories, but they they just don't explain the measurements and the measurement, you know, reality nature takes precedence over over, theories that have not yet gained empirical support. but it.

So maybe this is a good good time to talk to him. Yeah. I think he wants to start something. I interrupted. So I just wanna make sure that he gets his place on him.

You want to comment? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you were talking about an alternative synthesis process. the that was used by iris, Alexandra, and how it compares to Q Center. And I think you were quiet on where to queue centers where I want to correct. Like, the, my guess is that, this is not confirmed, but queue center's process is probably higher yield and higher purity than the process used by iris.

Iris was in a hurry, like, so so so why why she did this on the weekend is that, they were talking about, the new superconducting material called LK99. between friends, like, we all did and her friend did there that whether she could send size the material until the weekend is done. And there was a bit about it.

So the reward was that if she succeed, her friend would buy a beef steak to iris. And so she was in hurry. Like, she couldn't wait for 48 hours in baking inverness as it is done in the paper.

So she did an alternative synthesis route today to return only 100 times faster, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that synthesis is the better or superior to the one developed by 2 center. Actually, I suspect the 2 center is like many steps, like, 10 or more steps ahead of the every other group, currently trying to replicate, like, and but but iris process was very fast, and she succeeded.

And her friend verified that it is indeed the protein and hard pressed button, beef stick to iris and, they took a peek and I'm not the to the traitor in a victory dance.

That's that's a great commentary. Yeah. I -- One second, folks. I'll get your time. I I would just wanna say, I really wanna know what Andrew's celebrating with because Andrew is also deserving of the operation tonight, because Andrew also started, like, doing this kind of gung ho and then kinda learn on the way. And yesterday, when the video tape that when Andrew posted a video, he's like, hey. I had to cut a lot of screams of excitement with many people going with a magnet on top of some samples and trying to see kinda the rocks gonna jump. and everybody's like, hey, Andrew. Just post it with the screens. And so I hope I hope Andrew's celebrating with something like this steak tonight that will go down in history. folks, I wanted to just quote 0 x floats.

I've been following since the beginning of this edit to my list and has been consistently bringing the data, the kind of developments in use. So it's welcome. Feel free to introduce yourself and then.

Yeah. Yeah. So so so I am very, I am very sorry, but, so Alexa again pinned the, irises, the insurance thread the on the space, but I have a warning. There seems to be some glitch in Twitter that, if you start there, you pretty much. It cannot follow the entire thread because the treater cuts the thread in various places.

So the best way to read that thread is starting from the actual conclusion that is the, photograph of the levitating rock and then scroll up or then ring the backward. Otherwise, I mean, you, practically cannot follow the spread from the first to post.

Yeah.

Thanks so much. Thanks for that. Alright. So I wanna talk about the the yield thing because it definitely does seem as though the queue center have something going on with the yield. that seems pretty promising because there was a paper that came out on Monday, which sort of suggested the yield was, probabilistic and sort random in nature. the recap, this paper was saying that, the method by which superconductivity is generated is is pretty simple.

You have the copper ion the copper atom replacing the lead, Adam, most of the time it gets replaced into configuration in which it doesn't work to get some inert piece of rock, but a very small percentage of the time piece of superconductivity, it seems to me that this was completely random, and this is why you have these microscopic specs sort of appearing all over the place, but the queue center, their samples are like the they have big, big samples, especially the one that came out in New York Times, about like 2 days ago. They're pretty big. So, I mean, that would suggest they do have, a way to probably either increase the percentage of super conductivity, you know, in their sample, or they have something going on.

So that does seem a little promising.

Yeah.

And I think -- And just -- Yeah. Go ahead. -- quick quick quick mention, there there are once once you synthesize something, there are probably going to be ways to enrich the, the superconducting, phase is grind it up and get particles and find a way to enrich. and it's there's a chance that, it's the same sense synthesis in the paper, and they've just, you know, found a purification or enrichment method. We don't Yeah. There's there's a lot that we don't know.

Yeah. There was another thing I wanted to talk because it if you guys take a look at the new interview that came out like, today or 2 days ago where, he'll attack Kim. he's explaining why their sample doesn't stand up. And the way he explains it, it did seem different than the mechanism that was proposed on Monday. He was saying inside the samples, the sample imagine the sample Right? It's like this 3 d object. He's saying inside the 3 d object, there's like a one dimensional line of conductivity. Like, like, inside stamp, just like like a line. This is why it doesn't stand up.

this this does seem different than the completely sort of random, thing that was proposed earlier on Monday. So it does seem that this this conflicted. He also said, well, this also makes me, you know, the iris thing. I I still I'm not sure if she produced a levitating sample because Hianta Kim was sort of saying that it was impossible to create a fully levitating people. The one dimensional super conductivity was somehow preventing full levitation. So, that's that's a little bit curious. I wanna see, you know, what you guys think of that.

So so this, this goes to the difference between isotropic and anisotropic material. So, isotropic means the same in all directions. And isotropic means not the same in all directions. Now, we believe that the and and the the density functional theory, papers support this that, the columns, of, of lead in, in the appetite crystal structure are, superconducting channels.

And you know, microscopically, they are just that columns, you know, in a, in a tightly packed ordered array with phosphates between but it in the the samples, you know, it could be anything from, like, little little grains that are that are like that to, spaghetti, like, where where you have things curving around each other. And the the morphology is gonna have consequence for how it behaves. it look, if it is at least somewhat, anisotropic, in other words, mostly aligned as opposed to just a ball of spaghetti.

it is more likely that you'd get the kind of behavior that we've seen in in the re the replication videos where it it doesn't levitate, but it torques. As you turn the field, it it lines up with the field And so so if if you think about it, if it can go if the field can go easily between the superconducting channels, then then that explains the observation.

that, that it's it's just minimizing the the, the field and the super connected going, you know, in in the the, aligned gaps between the superconducting channels. Now somebody commented in one of the threads, about, whether you could, well, I I won't go to their their thing because it it I'll go into what what I replied with because I I understand that better.

if you could turn on an electromagnet, that might have the kind of pinning that you get in a type 2 superconductor so that it will move in three dimensions with that. That's just a guess. I could easily be wrong. I'm happy either way to see the results of, of that test. but this is not the same as as, the, the established type 1 or type 2, superconductors in this regard from what we've seen so far. But again, you know, this is fragmentary and inferential. Right?

We we -- And it's been -- I think that -- It's been a couple of weeks.

Right? -- is gonna show us Just real quick. The next week is gonna show us lots more results.

Yeah. This is what I wanna highlight. It's only been a couple of weeks, and, like, the application's been it was, was fairly crazy. Sonia, I pasted an image above it. This is from a Chinese preprint of a paper. and I don't know if you wanted to comment on that, but it definitely tries to talk about And if you wanna highlight this guy who this paper is from from from the. I would love for you to kinda summarize that and go as well.

So so people so so Alex pinned the new toy on on the space. And before commenting on that, I want to share 2 info 2 pieces of information that doesn't seem to be widely known. The first is that the queue center group actually commented on their like, not exactly about how many samples they have and their production rate and yield and things like that.

The comment is that they can produce, sample that was so so so so we know 2 public samples that The first one was on the first video on the Dubai contact team on the sidecast. And the second sample know always the one in the New York Times video. And if you carefully look at 2 video, it is very clear that 2 are different. different samples of the similarly large side.

And so the question is stated that, to to create a sample the size of the, things in the two videos they need need a 1 week. And, they said that all samples are either sent or intranced or, I mean, they want to keep some samples for themselves. So they have no samples to share simply I mean, I mean, they are they are cooking the rock.

Obviously, they are cooking the rock in the basement as best as possible, but it takes 1 week for them to produce the the sample we have seen.

So so so they're You said they were sent. Where were they getting sent to? This is this is seems like it's news. Right?

You said we only know They don't talk about it, but the the the implication is that, there is no pretty simple.

currently.

Right. Right.

But I mean hold on. There's there's so we know there's 2 samples, right? The one in, as you said, the one in the original video, Then the there's one in the New York times, but then you also but then you also say they produce at a rate of 1 a week. It's been, a few weeks now, and it's and then you said they sent the samples somewhere. Right? So, like, where where are these amp where are these other samples doing?

So so one place we know the sample is in the Korean energy university that I talked about in the power company, the the the primary investigator in the university that said that they were working on it with the electronic microscope, did an interview that and confirmed that they have assembled. other locations of sample are not clear.

I searched very I I mean, we have like ten people in our Korean discord room and we searched it, as hard as possible and there is no mention of food got the sample, but, so the conclusion is we know to we know about 2 samples and it's, at least one sample is in the Korean energy university and other samples are in, appropriate places, and there are no free samples. And they need, 1 week to produce one sample.

And then one other thing is that, so so iris Alexandra had, it's not really a rocket. It's just pet So so it's very small. Like, she definitely had a floating spec, and she handed carried the decimal to the most CUBA Engineering and PT Institute which is a very prestigious institution in Russia. And, they did the various measurements have that, she, retooled December and went to home because she, to keep it.

And, those people from any PI that is most by engineering a physics institute said that some measurements are not possible with, such a small speck. So so they said that it would be very much appreciated if I always could, produce, samples that is the and it's the 5 times bigger than the current sample. So I was supposed to prioritize what is working on the bigger sample and the system think she can do it.

so so deadweight, so so, whereabouts of samples and the production rate. And, how M and EPI requested for the 5 times larger sample. That was the 2 pieces of information I wanted to share.

And So so there is the imagery of the, so the image to explain the theory of the, partial meditation and so so where this image came from is that there is a Chinese Q And A site, which is very big, like named It's like an in, Chinese version of a English website, like, a style workflow and And, there had been, granted the discussion of the LK99 and super conductivity and in Zeehoo.

And the first and most popular question on the Zeehoo on the south Korean claim of superconductivity called the SK99 had received the, 100 and a fee million page views so far. And, our group is looking at the new churns and the new claims and new post post posted on Yahoo, like, so so so it is fire host, like, there there are too many things, and it is physically impossible to read them all.

But, may we are looking for or what is the most interesting information. And Zoho has on voting system. So the user, the outputs, the most interesting posts and most interesting comment. So we are mostly scanning the top posts. And one of my friends identified someone called the Xiishi we we are, so so that that is the mandatory modem Mandarin pronunciation. So we are at harder to type. So we are calling him the by the initial X Jet X, but the name is clearly not in Mandarin.

That is a modern Chinese it it is almost certainly written in Wenanyan, which is the classical Chinese, and it means something like the, you need to, clean and wash the, plant in the river of the valley, whatever that is. And, he's a self biographer. He's cure maybe it was written by himself that is a classical Chinese 20 letters of rhyme, the poetry.

And his organization is listed that, a sort of institution or higher education. I mean, I mean, that is literally what is in his bio. So so he is in the institution of a higher education, but he wants to say each one. And these users post is like, he he never uses any other source, like, he doesn't link or where he learned his stuffs, but he's supposed to be universally excellent.

Like, this user knows something. like, the it it is impossible to write things like that without knowing something.

And, Sanghyeon, can I -- Everyone or -- We can just depend on just summarize for the folks the last couple of things because I think it's very important. Right? Like iris before, like, she was fairly obscure and people didn't start believing like, it's not affiliated, but some people started looking at the science. You're saying there is a person in this Chinese social media, called by X CX, with, like, no affiliation necessarily. And that person also looks kinda like this. like, banger replies, information that, like, is pertinent to the science, very, like, great.

And, and you guys have been following me, and I think, Elza in in our group is also, like, separately confirming that, like, this person is, adding the very information, very good information. Correct? a good summary of of this person?

Yes. Yes. So XTS posted an answer to why the partial limitation. And in that post that, like, he's slimest because he had worked a 2 day right without sleeping. And, he's a theory of partial levitation is in preparation, and it will be posted to archive. So so I think he's in some kind of a academic institution in China. And I mean, this user is clearly addictive to the social media Z Woo.

So, he heavily apologize for why he couldn't keep answering because he is writing the paper as if answering the question and see who is more important to public duty than writing a paper, but he couldn't help himself that, present the the gist of the his pre print credential in writing.

So so so in practice, we have a pre pre print on And the image Alex posted is grounded pre preprint to on zhi who showing the diagram how the passion levitation happened. I mean, I cannot summarize that post too. So so so it is to return, you know, Hastings tire compared to the paper, but, I mean, you need extra scientific expertise to understand that post.

I cannot talk about it here. This person, you you so this person created a sample. You're saying this levitated the sample is partially levitating. It's gonna create, an archive preprint. This sort of implies that, like, are are there photos? Is there videos of this guy's sample? I mean, this would be like the 3rd or 4th.

Yeah. Look look at his his, timeline. He posted the video to YouTube. Whoever's talking is muted.

Yeah. I don't think, go ahead, Sangham. I think, so we have this user. He's about to pre print would you like to post the tweet with his pre preprint so people can start translating and and learning from it?

Let me look for it. whose timeline? whose timeline has the video? I'm looking at San Hoon's timeline for the video. I can't find it.

Yeah. I I actually, have not followed it whether or not person replicated by himself or just comments. And I I don't know if there's a video, but I do know there's, like, the print, and I do know that, like, the folks who following his comments, they the the comments seemed to be, like, not sourced by somebody else. So this person kind of floats up the algorithmic waves to the top of the comment line a lot. I actually don't know if they replicated themselves, and I don't know if, like, the paper is based on experimental evidence or just, you know, just just looking at stuff and learning. I actually don't know.

However, the the image that I posted is like first attempt that, the pre print is supposed to get uploaded at some point of explaining the the the semi float conductivity type thing that we see in in most of the samples so far besides very tiny specs. Right? And we do we we do see some limitation for very tiny specs. I think one of the first replication attempts you may remember eerie number from V VPS Avana in India. They generated, like, very big rocks, essentially. And then they quickly posted the archive, hey, this doesn't work. like, rocks, you know, don't levitate.

And many people in the comments, to me, this was funny. Right? Not a scientist. I'm following behavioral back then when Ira was still obscure, somebody commented on Facebook on an Indian kind of research group. Hey. You should smash the rocks. Look at like iris. That's what she adjusted. And, to me, it was, like, really funny because, like, unlike a peer review and archive citations, somebody in the obscure Twitter, like, Facebook posts in Indian, yeah, Facebook, comments about the Russian, you know, Twitter and on person and actually provides good information. So smashing of the rocks, it looks like Andrew. That's what he he had as well. Andrew produced a sample that's, like, you know, finger size, basically.

And then Andrew quickly snuck it and started looking with the magnet for, like, the the the parts that do levitate the parts that do kinda react to magnetism? And, so back to this, Chinese prompter, I don't know if they actually have produced the video. I don't have confidential I do know that, like, they are also obscure. They're also, like, using social media very well, and people follow and and wait for their advice and they're about to release kind of a potential explanation of why this partial semiconductor activity works in, like, the bigger samples.

yep. Yes. Sorry. I thought you were referring to something else. So so forget forget what I said about digging up the video.

But -- Alright.

No problem, man. I I I will actually, since it's not pinned, for anybody hasn't seen it, I'll I'll put up the, the the link to to Andrew McCallops, video.

yeah. so the India thing, yeah, it's pretty if you take a look at their Facebook, they have produced, like, the biggest sample I've ever seen. They have this huge puck and, like, they put it on top of the magnet. Their sample is bigger than the Mag they're like, hey, why isn't it fly? Yeah. So I there's a lot of people asking them to smash it. I'm not sure if they were. one thing to watch out for is they do have another sample coming out, tonight. Yesterday, they hadn't they produced another sample. it didn't work. They said they were gonna produce another one tonight, so I think we have a total of 3 reps locations to look for, overnight here.

We have the one from Taiwan, the one from India, and I believe there's one from Eastern Europe or so, maybe Poland.

Yeah. The Polish institute also is working on something like this. And the the German buck that actually levitates that we haven't confirmed yet, I just wanna say, I I don't know if, anybody wants to pin the split.

That is that is 100%.

So so -- So the one that came out. Folks, I I will ask you you need to space, I will ask you to not throw out a 100% because it's not a 100%. Some folks that we talk to in the green room, they're not sure whether or not a 100%. The process seems legit. The process that they described with, like, breaking down the big sample to smaller pieces and sorting them. You're like, do you remember the process that that do you remember what I'm talking about? Do you remember the process? They outlined better than me? They're sorting it by we had the mechanism with something. Right?

It will. It's it's looking for for things that respond. Yeah. and there are varieties of way to to do this. It's on It's unclear though, which of of the ones that worked with other superconductors will work with this just because of the one d channels.

So but but they do claim that and and again, this is a claim for us. It's not confirmed for sure. but however, the folks that we I personally asked about this this sample. They're not sure either. It does look like one of them cheap Amazon thing is that you buy like, out of film, like, you know, levitating stuff like that.

If I ever they claim, and and, again, I will delete my it if they claim doesn't materialize, that claim that the process was smashing the samples of LK down small bits and then using those bits, or trying to organize them based on the, the lecture I don't know, bay based on the rotation ability and then combining them together into the Spark. And this is what they claim they do. And, it's a new Twitter account. it doesn't seem believable. And, you know, they're not answering anymore, but we may see something from them.

I will say they they posted 2 videos of quality and, from two angles. And I think it's important to note at least whether or not this is fake or not. If is not fake. This is the first actual levitating example that we saw in high quality video. That's, I think, is important to know.

So so the about Institute to fear, likely from I mean, the name is in Germans who probably from Germany.

It's a straight 4 Chan troll. If you truck, like, take the name, translate it. It's a reference to, like, mental retardant is, like, department of special, like, act this is this is 100% like a 4 yeah. Don't say 100%. But this is this is a complete troll job by 4 chance. I I don't think we should be falling for this. This is an electromag The behavior is completely different from all the other diamagnetic or superconductive, things we've seen. the material keeps going towards the same place. That's not behavior you would expect. It's definitely not pinned because it's spinning around. And, again, the name just gives it away. The the Germans are trolling us.

This is just a simple, this is a simple trophy.

I, I, I, I hear you, and I love the rigor.

And I appreciate it. I kind of agree. Like, it is like the most touristy name possible. I I am thinking of whether there is a great way to cool of creating trolling names and, so many people graduated from that institute, like like, I mean, but the thing is the Quantum Energy Research Center is also a trolling name. Like, you you I mean, I mean, it It is a mighty strange name.

And like the this institute to use as a credible edge, a queue center Tuesday. Otherwise, it is extremely suspect. I agree. And the video not convincing. I mean, I mean, it is not supposed to work that way, but but, I mean, I don't know.

I -- So they're they're proxies.

I mean, I would say that it's not the name that gets me because there are lots of companies out there that just sound generic as hell. Right? And and the thing about the internet is that you could argue that everything here Oh, I think the last theory. I mean -- It's it's really about how convincing they are, and they're not convincing enough to us because, like, I'm not someone who is very con, like, confirmed. Like, I I could say that iOS isn't confirmed enough for academic levels unless You're you're coming out. Unless she comes forward and Docs herself or something like that. You know?

So what it's really about just whether they're convincing enough and they're not.

There's just they're they're not giving you know, additional information about how they did things. it there's they they do say something about how having reprocessed it and and packed it or or something to that effect, but it's like, well, yeah, sure. If you if you repack it with a bunch of carbon, then it's the same as, floating some some graphite over over some some magnets, and it's just straight diamagnetism.

Okay. So I think at this point, we don't have at all consensus, float is 100%. I am not, and I will say the most. Okay. If I'm thinking for a fool and this is a a 4 general attempt, When Iris first started, people said exactly the same thing. I wasn't sure if this protein in the audience actually texted. You know, Iris's profile and said, hey. Is this a troll? is this like a a a troll attempt. So I'm no longer, like, dismissing things just because they seem trolley, until I see additional evidence. The evidence I would like to see is the comments that people left on that thread. I always left a comment asking a question, some other folks.

Folks are trying to see whether or not this process smashing into bits and combining us through a pack actually works. They said will release some archive things. So I'm I'm waiting. I'm not entirely dispensing because, you know, I I if I'm full, that's fine. I'm not claiming that they have what they have. However, let's let's go decide the German Institute for -- Just one last thing about this group.

Like, in in the video, like, You get straight under the magnet. You can basically see the coils that are comprising the electromagnet.

If you power an electromagnet, you can let -- I didn't see the coils, man. What I saw a three d printed casting to hold the magnets. And what I heard from them as an explanation is that this is what they do. and their magnet is, like, they took a beating. So I'm still waiting, but, I appreciate the the the excitement about, like, removing every list the last piece of kind of information resistance from this.

Yeah. I I I think that, you know, when more information is forthcoming from them, then know, maybe we can look, or we we can look at it again. no, maybe there. but, based on what they've provided so far, it this just there, there isn't enough to to even consider.

And they kinda went offline. And so we'll see. There was another person, also, there's a bunch of fakes. Let's summarize this. will not cover all the fakes or the process. We'll focus in the audience. Hopefully, you'll see some of the process that the group has internally as well. There's a lot of, like, discussion information I think Sam can summarize his best. There's a fire hose of information. It's like an an insane torrent of of, people trying to replicate people trying to talk, and to this end, I will say a huge thanks to folks like floats, folks like eerie, folks like Sangham, that that, like, try to cover and and bring to you, verified and and with rigor, verified information as it comes out and it comes out very fast.

And so I I definitely this is some insight into how this happens. Sangeam, you have a comment. Go ahead.

Oh, okay. So one thing, Alex, just pinned the, tweet by Paul, get a hard to on the where to read about the comment of the CTG XDX, but, then the increase is not correct. I will I will post the correct link after the space is finished. Removing it. Like, so so so yeah. Yeah.

That's not the link. Okay. Remove the link. and, again, verification on the flight. so we did talk about the Polish Institute and there's a we're waiting for some results from, the folks helping out I'm lagging out on the -- The, the national -- Taiwan. Taiwan. Taiwan. So so the the the folks who do semiconductors are doing conductors. That's that's the line that I wanted to get across. when is this happening? What are we expected to see? Do we know? and, Yeah.

Yeah. yeah. So it's the it's a few posts back, I believe, on the timeline. they have a YouTube live link. They said it's 16:30 Taiwan time. So, let me just pull up my page here.

So we have the, team 1 conversion.

yeah. Yeah. Saturday for them. Yeah. It'll be 1:30 AM Pacific, 4:30 AM Eastern, and then they have a YouTube.

Half 4 hours from now. Yes. If it's 4 if it's 4 hours from now.

Yeah. So we're expected to see and It's a live stream.

I'm not sure.

It's 3 hours.

Oh, 3 hours from now. 3 hours.

It's a YouTube live.

It's a YouTube live of of the baking of the process, but I like Andrew, maybe we won't see them actually smashing or levitating. but hopefully, yes. I don't know what the setup is, but definitely currently, this is a confirmed, like, big corporation with scientists. Right? This is not like a pure home attempt. We're we're watching this very closely as help. I wanna start maybe maybe wrapping up this a little bit. We need all the all the updates. I want this to go around the the, actually, Eli, I wanna ask you this. And we we had a few scientists up here before.

what needs to be scene in order for us to start, like, celebrating like crazy, the rolling twenties are back. We're so fucking back. It's not even funny. What what needs to be seen? So we got replication. Right?

The paper. Well, we we we haven't actually we okay. So we've we've we've got replicate of the pewter of material, the pewter of superconducting phase, as judged by these unusual responses to applied magnetic fields. Right? We haven't seen, other than than the 110 Kelvin reproduction, which, and I I I do wanna come back to to a comment on that. any, resistivity measure months yet. I'm sure that we're gonna see that from from, Alex's, samples pretty soon.

And I, I would expect the name will be true for for irises. but, you know, both of them are dependent on other people to do those for them. They can't do them themselves. So, so that, you know, they're working on it. And, and, I would expect that that sooner rather than later, because I, I, I'm sure that everybody wants to know these answers.

So so let me, let me maybe present a a start and then you you complete. we know that the team is legit, even though in the beginning, it didn't seem like it in the workflow obscure. So now it looks like they at least have the process and folks are replicated the process enough to get something out of it. There's something we're still not sure what the properties are, but, like, the team is not lying processing applying. It's fairly easy to replicate as well. The process is trying to bake a material from letting copper in some fairly, other easily found materials, which is very exciting. If at the end, this does turn to be a super it's very exciting because current superconductors not only need to be chilled.

They're also expensive to make, and, it's very exciting. we know that the result would not fabricate necessarily. Right? I don't know if all of the takers, graph and and and test that they had were replicated also, and this is, I think, what what remains to be seen. we know we we saw a limitation, partial limitation, but never like, we saw this confirmed multiple times and multiple videos yesterday with, like, 4 k from Andrew. Right? So we know that, like, if you add the magnet to the sample based on the that the Korean team says they have, it levitates. We know this, I think, at this point, with certainty, anybody still, doesn't think that we have this. It feels like we have uncertainty.

and, Eli here, I'm bringing the the doorstep. We know that the the University of Southeast, in in China, they said that the material that they've baked, from this process is, in fact, superconducting at very low temperature of a 110 kelvin. In my in my, tweet, I said 400 kelvin, and then I didn't change, but, like, a 110 kelvin. This material is superconducting. Right? This is what came out, and then people said maybe no. Can you talk to us about that?

Well, okay. So, I I mean, at least in terms of the the posters that were were shown, it it looks like they measured it and it comes out low, with the transition temperature between a 110 and a 150 kelvin. And by the way, that does qualify this material as a quote, high temperature, superconductor. the only the only question is, you know, what was the quality of their sample and, what is the real critical temperature, right, when when you have a good sample. I'm sure they got the the critical temperature for the sample they had exactly right.

so so, I mean, honestly, you know, let's say that the whole room temperature ambient pressure thing doesn't bear out we still have an ambient, a new, a new, a new, and a new class of ambient pressure, quote, high temperature, superconductor, verified, even if it's not room temperature. Right? Of course, we really want it to be room temperature.

going back to the other ability measurements and, heat capacity measurements because, you know, superconductor is just the, you know, how well does it, conduct, electrons.

But those those two things that I just mentioned, magnetic susceptibility and, heat capacity are real important, for various applications that we would really like a high temperature, like room temperature or higher superconductor for like the magnetic susceptibility tells us a lot about, you know, how strong a magnetic field can we with this, which is immediately important for things like fusion reactors and and for, other other other applications where you want to generate a high field, I believe that you could use this stuff as it is, for really sensitive magnetic, detections such as, squid, superconducting quantum interference devices which are the sensors in in our medical MIs, imaging MRIs.

Eli, I wanna I wanna circle back on this last post. less point, please. So as it stands, let's say that the the University of Southeast, and the the super conductivity at a 110 Kelvin applies to this. Without any further research, without any further advancement, you're saying already at this point, this seems very interesting to those applications without us going up to room level temperature.

This is already like a 30. -- Well, again, we we don't have the, the, at least from what I don't have missed it. I very, very well, could have the magnetic susceptibility. And and, again, that's to to to tell you the, you know, how high a field can can you, generate with it? But the sensitivity, you should probably be able to get, for anything that's were conducted.

I mean, one weird thing about the Southeast University 1 was even though they detect the super conductivity when they had the super chilled sample, it still did not do any sort of levitation according to them. So, I mean, that was one very weird point, but, we cling onto a little hope from that one study.

I mean, it's already pointed out it's a new class with superconductor. So that in itself is very interesting. And we don't understand how this new classical superconductor works, and it could take a long time to establish the theory.

Well, so, Hyuntak Kim, in his interview, he sort of very clearly said that this one directional super super conductivity is sort of strictly inferior to two d and three d. So, I mean, my thinking is, like, over the course of the week, the odds of this thing being real have increased significantly. I mean, there were a number of studies, which all said it was possible. They didn't have to. They could have said it was a you know, boat of, like, but they also, they were possible. the replications look good, and we had that, superconductivity, a low temperature thing, but I I'm sort of worried that this that this material sort of becomes the new graphene.

If you guys look up what graphene is, it's like two d, like, one atom thick layer of carbon. If you look up its properties, it's like this miracle thing. You would think that if we had this, like, just like us, we're talking about with these superconductor. Like, all the world's problems would be solved, but it ends up, like, it it's barely used at all.

So I'm sort of worried that this will go in that direction. I wonder if yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. exactly.

Like, also the the field, the field, I mean, your characterization is is correct, but the extrapolation from it, I would contend, will be will be shown to to, I think we're at a transition point. I actually do have stuff in preparation regarding, graphene synthesized by, by a couple of different methods.

And the, the issues with limiting graphene are being able to produce, large quantities of it efficiently enough there are developments, you know, quite independent of, of anything that I'm working on that are, are, are making that more, more promising and and so the, you know, the the we're we're entering a new chapter on that, and, we're we're going to see it, in not very long.

I wanna just Yeah. Sorry. Sun Han. Go ahead.

Okay. So so our discord room in Korean has a people who worked on graphene and people who worked on carbon nanotube, obviously. And, so so, okay, 99 is sort of like a graphene and carbon nano tube. So their opinion is that, I mean, carbon, graphene and carbon nanotube at first to what's grety, the or a lot of high expectation, but actual practical application fell very short to say the least.

so one of the problem is that, they are carbon based. And, like, I mean, carbon is inconvenient, and, it is hard to manufacture to escape and it is to, like, hard to attach a bad material properties. And their opinion is that I mean, this thing is LK99 is, like, graphene and carbon nanotube, but we do better manufacturing and better property, so they are hopeful.

Yeah. I mean, that was exactly, you know, the, the concern here. And, Eli's, addition, they were very helpful about the production capabilities of Graphi. I feel like they're entirely applicable to, okay, 99. And, I mean, this seems like it's gonna be a very hard material to produce. he anti chem, said, look, so graphene is, is a 2 d sheet. Hionte can characterize this as a, like, a 1d string. So, I mean, it seems is gonna be even harder. And, who knows if we can, like, if you have a bunch of LK99 dust, how are you gonna combine them? It seems like It's, if you just wanna weld them together, it's like your first thought, but that might get rid of some of the properties.

So, I mean, we'll see you for sure. I mean, so so so so there is a there is an, Korean pack. So so so I want to talk about the patient situation. Yes. There's no. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So quantum energy research center is a business. So they want to profit, and they probably want to establish the factory and produce these things, like, the most likely scenario is that they patent the patent the technology and license it to other companies.

So so there are lots of patent patent pending and the so so the first patent application to the Korean patent office was actually granted in 2022. And, they also applied for the international patent feature is now published yet, but not yet granted. And, So so if you read the patent, I mean, I recommend reading it. It it had lots of information that is not available anywhere else.

They talk about, like, as you said, it is only it to superconducting wire that is randomly interspersed in 3 d space. And how do you make keep superconducting and how do you manufacture it? It is a difficult suggestion. And they say that, I mean, we could do the monoclonalene growth, like, I mean, the semiconductor wafer used in the semiconductor manufacturing is actually it is a grown crystal. Like, it's a purity.

It's 99% point 99, I mean, that there are 9 nines in there. I think it is a 12 nines. Anyway, it is a process called, chocolatsky process. It is very tricky, but, I mean, queue center is thinking about how to do that that they haven't completed the process, but the patent clearly says that they want something like the choker escape process and, they they are claiming that it should be done on the patent.

So, I I wanna just go ahead and do that. If if if if if I can. so okay. So there there this this one d issue. I put, a link to you you do have to sign up for for the website, but you can download or you can look at the crystal star download and look at the crystal structure. I give instructions in that thread. And if if you do that, you can rotate it and you see that there are these, columns of 6 lead atoms. Right?

And, It is the the, those columns that that represent the 11 of the possible one dimensional channels, and then another possible one dimensional channel. And that's most likely the the real one is the lead and, copper in the substitutions atoms that are in the sit towards the center of that cell.

And it's not said it's like isolated, together in a well ordered stack, right, that that would represent the one dimensionality of it. And and basically, the the goal would be to make the the the grains as large as possible. And, so the the the method that silicon crystals are grown with where you start with a seed crystal and then grow with it, I think, is what they're referring to in that patent.

So I wanna talk about the applications a little bit because somebody asked to audience, the hint of Kim seemed to be in a rush to, to jump into kind of the the application phase and not verification phase. And I wanna also stress that many of the verifications that we're seeing, trying to even understand, first of all, how how to get this biggest sample, this like, a quantum center has. Right? They have the biggest examples of all, and they supposedly gave us the the process to generate this.

And yet, it's like, we haven't seen replication of the process and it takes them a while, like, sanctions said, I I will mention that, like, they've been caught off guard, but this released most likely, this is this is fairly this is fairly verified at this point. Kwan released the the paper, and then they rushed the second paper out and that they had to change it a little bit. They even had mistakes within the first day. So they rushed out. This is, I think, known and this point. And, now it looks like some fortunately he's asked, he he seems to be starting to talk about application phase. And I think what Sankaj said is very important. Quantum research has patents on this. They they are sure of what they have.

They have the person that, like, is experimental in in super conductivity. Their process wasn't that great Ira showed that as well. So she's gonna be fast to replicate smaller samples, but they do have some process that yields bigger samples while the world rushes to replicate their potentially moving forward with with, you know, application because they wanna be the people who, who kind of profit of the, you know, the a for profit company, and we're in capitalism. floats and and Eli, we try to stay away from hype much as possible so far. However, some hype amount is warranted, right, because at this point, we've seen already videos.

We've seen papers come out multiple different people replicate, and we we see them doubling down on, saying that they have what they have. The the thing they have, and they also it sounds like they came out with this necessarily just now. It's been it's been a process potentially with roots all the way to, like, USSR and then some bullish folks. I I don't wanna go into this whole history. At some point, you will you will tell about this whole history. and and the books that Sangean is getting, folks, if you wanna contribute to the efforts and Sangean the book, but it's not like they came out with something. they found something. They didn't create it.

They found a whole area of exploration that we, we as a world just need to look at, to start, to own a different process. It may pan out, like, wrapping, like, folks said. It does not seem like the folks who are saying this, the claims they make now that, like, the authenticity has been proven, it does not seem that this is how they're approaching this, this area. I will just add from my other thing, you know, just one second. I'll let you comment with this. I will add from my other thing that we're writing. my other thing being, I I do I'm a host of Thursday.

I am talking about the AI and explaining this simply to folks, and we see an insane insane I'm using the same dub twice in the same sentence because I'm as excited about this as as that. we're living in the exponential, growth stage of of capabilities for humanity. Exponential curve, double exponential curve, hardware software in the race of AI. Right? a month ago or a year ago, none of us could have done what we're doing right now because I don't know. Everything that Sunhand posted to me, I'm translating with AI. Right?

I know that, Eli, if you wanna pick up afterwards, there have been replication attempt, not simulation attempts, coming out from Chanay Conner from from Berkeley and some other folks in China also confirming that they've without drying the actual that they ran some simulations to give them some some examples. And those are problematic so far. However, we know that, you know, the exponential curve in the eye exist, and we know that, like, you would be able to simulate more of this. Now that we know where to look, I think it's very important that this is established. We know where to look for this new thing.

the, like, this is entirely, I would say true at this point, and this gives me the the permission to hype up a little things. we know where to look for new things that we haven't been looked at before, and we are potentially joining another exponential curve, which potentially, we'll solve all the problems of before. And I will conclude on this last thing. It's now incredibly open source collaborative.

We have, yeah, we have Go ahead, Sonja. Please please bring that. I want to moderate on the hype because So so this is my second time joining the Twitter space. And in the first two, Twitter space, I insisted on sharing the mobility because, I really believe in, voting for the value, but betting for the belief.

and on the first space that I stated my probability to be 15% and many people confuse We're confused about it.

probability of what?

It's very important that you say probability of what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, So I set the 15% and that was the probability of we benefiting from the actual application of the room temperature conductor. many people confuse the to be the probability of replication, but At the first space, I was, like, 99% sure that it would replicate. Like, we had multiple replication already.

And, I mean, if, if the floating rock they are holding in the queue center is another genuine article, is very hard to explain the behavior of the people and the data related so far. But but that that that is completely different from the new era for which humanity to quote the suppression in the, 3 or 3rd paper. And, Alex also talked about, like, the exponential increases or the capability of humanity that that that that is completely different.

Like, I mean, Graphene and carbon nanotube definitively exist, and their physical property is studied in-depth. But graphene and carbon nanotube didn't change the world. And it is, I mean, my opinion is that it is currently the the most likely situation is that LK99 would fail. I I I mean, I mean, would be disappointing exactly like the, graphene and carbon nanotube was disappointing.

So at this point, my probability of the we get the miracle enter the age of a miracle on wonder and get the all the miracle of the room temperature shipper protocol. it's like a 30%. So so my probability doubled between the last space and this space, but 30% is still lower than hacked. So to let you moderate the hype.

Yeah. I have exactly the same position. I mean, the probability that I think that LK99 is like there is some sort of super on activity is, extremely high here, but the practical usefulness has I I've been able to question it sort of more and more, especially with these productivity issues, especially with, again, Everyone should listen to Hyontech Kim's interview today. Like, he he was definitely stressing, like, this one d thing was inferior to the in 3 d. So, the other thing I would like to bring up is, you know, the the study that said, substituting gold for copper might yield better results. I mean, I think that definitely, needs to be studied more.

the one weird thing is, like, right now, the copper is delivered by a copper phosphate. I'm not sure how you would deliver the gold. but the goal is four thousand times as expensive as a copper. So so even if that was the better solution, this wouldn't be like the, the total utopia if you were probably imagining a week ago where we could just have this, copper and lead solution. I mean, copper and gold four thousand times as expensive. I mean, you, the the limitations would be hire.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Hope her and. Wait. Wait a second. One second, please. I wanna, say hi to Andrew, Andrew Goat, who's joined a few of our spaces and, but but I don't know if that's a word, had a tweet storm about potential applications to conduct in the room temperature, like, 3 weeks before this release. hey, Andrew. How are you? How's your evening?

Hey, guys. Doing good. Yeah. happy to be here, happy to chat. yeah, really like the conversation.

You just joined in the last part of it, I would say, were, you know, I started adding a little bit of hype and, and, some folks are on the other side of it. Not at the other side entirely, but monitoring the hype moderating the hype. and, I maybe maybe it's good to ask, something just said that your probability is up updated from glass space. and that's the days was about a week ago, I wanna say, maybe a little bit more. yeah, around a week ago. Andrew, has your, probably, is updated in any way up or down?

Yeah. Yeah. I probably echoes some of the sentiments here. you know, my mental for sort of the unfolding story. It's kind of, interesting. Yeah. You know, I think the engineer practicability of LK99 as a substance is, is, is kind of doubtful in that way, but what it seems be doing is, really challenging a lot of theories and super conductivity. So it just for context there, you know, theory is informing what this coming on is have always come out after the fact after experiments have been performed, and then people are seeking to explain it in hindsight.

So we've never really had a predictive theory of super conductivity. And, you know, there's been a lot of contention in the theory space about how to best explain its phenomena. I know for sure this sort of cannot like the sort of classic theory called the yes, I'm pretty sure kind of fails to, really explain superconductivity that that occurs in higher temperatures, actually doing a, I'm, I'm gonna read up on this myself and, and try to educate others too, just kind of what the competing theories are and where they differ. But think at the very least, you know, whether LP 99, kind of has all these effects at once.

I think it's definitely challenging a lot of long health theories on the material science aspect, you know, on the kind of, on the kind of basic physics front. there was a paper out of University of Colorado, University of Boulder, Colorado, which was really interesting because you know, just in broad outlines, what they were saying was, you know, the super connectivity might not really be from what we normally think of as has, has these phone on electron interactions or or basically electrons interacting with, with vibrations in the crystal.

but what might instead is, is almost simpler to understand in a way is, is the orbitals of electrons, meaning, like, where are they most likely to be are overlapping, overlapping. They specifically mentioned the, overlap of the cough and the oxygen. And then there was another publication finding dimagnetism in an LK-nine replica sample, in a Chinese university. they also suggested the, the the copper oxygen interaction has completed that. So I think, you know, sort of in it's much broader conversation now, right, than than just this one formulation.

And it's a much sort of much more promising or fruitful kind of, line of inquiry that can be opened up in the near term. And I think that's what I'm really most optimistic about is, is that it's Hey, look, here's this really interesting new search space to be exploring because previously we've been really exploring very specific kind of search spaces based on our theory that had been used to explain past results. So that's kind of where I'm at.

I guess, the moment. Is that is that fair to follow-up? One second. Is that fair to follow-up with a question here that, I think I saw somewhere, but please focus on the stage. Tell me now that this is the theory, based on whether or not your superconductor kind of process in a paper applied to that or not. I think paper were, rejected based on it. I don't know if if this is fair assessment, but, like, Andrew, is this fair to say that, like, this whole theory of ECS in the area of superconductors of the past, now we have, like, a a new area to explore in.

And, potentially, it's hard to start application, but, like, it's definitely under explored because it's fairly new and definitely goes against the conventional wisdom that we've currently had so far.

Is that is that fair? Yeah. Well, I think it's it's, you know, it's not all of one or the other. I think BCS might be a great theory to explain these properties in a certain class of compounds in a certain range of temperatures and pressures and so forth. you know, just by analogy, right? You, you go to the Wikipedia article on theories of lift, right? Like, how do airplanes fly? There's more than 1, right? It's kind of funny. There's more than one pose mechanism that's at work that generates lift on an airplane wing.

And it's kind of hilarious because we thought that's a really nailed down topic, but I think in a similar fashion, what we call super conductivity in materials may actually exist or manifest through different mechanisms as you change the crystal structure as you change the operating conditions, just like, you know, jet fighter does not have wings shaped like what we think of as the airplane wing with the, with the round top and the flat bottom, right? It's completely different. It, it looks like a flat and metal, but it generates lift by just deflecting air down at such a high speed. It's just this change in momentum.

So more than one way to make an airplane fly And part, perhaps, I mean, I'm, I'm, I don't want to overstate the case, but there may be more than one way to get these properties we think of as super conductivity too.

Yeah. I would like to ask, Andrew. Like, when you talk about this whole new space of exploration that we should be doing in science, like, how how, like, what methods are there to do it? because, like, these guys were just sort of mixing rocks or an alchemy style. I know a whole bunch of other people were previously doing some theoretic physics type stuff. some other people are doing computate, like, computational simulations. Like, when we're talking about exploring, the LK99 adjacent, space? Like, what do you think is, like, the most efficient way to go around exploring a space?

Yeah. It's a great question. mean, I have lots of thoughts on that, that I'm not, I guess, confident enough to share publicly, but it's something I've been thinking about quite a lot recently. You know, I can just reason by example. So with the Y Cbo, which is yttrium, barium copper oxide, also called Cooprates, that was the Nobel Prize 26, right?

So the very first, discovery of that, the first lab to do it, I believe they had a material that, I forget, it couldn't withstand very high magnetic fields and another lab sort of improved upon the formulation quite quickly and, and And then over time, there's been slight modifications and slight adjustments. And it's really, you know, you're really like tuning the recipe, right? Like, you're, you're, you bake the cake the first time and what's the moisture and the flavor and the fluffiness and this kind of stuff. then you can get better at that over time.

So I think in the adjacent space, it's really like the paper, talking about seen copper with gold or, or other atoms, right? It's kinda like that's one way to think about it. And then the question becomes, okay, well then how do synthesize that material, right? And there may be other ways also of growing and synthesizing that crystal, right? Like, there's more than one one to, to develop that material. so yeah, it's, it's one of these things where the theory and the experiment are kind of two sides of the scissors, and it's like, well, which side of the scissors does the cutting. And, when it comes to cutting edge research, it's really, you know, both of them have to do the cutting together.

And that's actually how you, how you make progress guess.

I, we're coming up on the 2 hour stage, and I some folks here that will include into ours. So I I will say, and ENDRA apologies. You just joined, but, like, we're wrapping up. However, I I wanna say, maybe go around the the speakers, maybe Andrew, and Eli picked this up first is what do we need to see to to start thinking that the hype is warranted. Obviously, Twitter hypes up everything and then expectations fall. So, like, you know, there's a there's an exponential curve of hype as well and memes, and sometimes it does crash like graphing, etcetera.

what do we need to see to actually kind of believe, Jim Takim, the they have is that what they actually have, and and it applies to, you know, superconductors just in room temperature.

What what else do we need? So so So first of all, good super good resistivity measurements that show at least, you know, something well below copper but if if it's not, you know, in in the real, super conductivity range, then, with that, some ID, some, some, you know, mic microscopy images, of the morphology that explain why it's it's not, you know, on on a macroscopic scale at that level.

and this goes back to the very first preprint where where, they're resensitivity measurements were really low, but they weren't quite in in the the defined range that would qualify as a superconductor, and they explained it as as possibly, grain boundaries, which I find a highly, you know, credible, explanation for that.

So so, you know, at least good good, resistance measurements that are that are really, really low or, you know, some, some, you know, additional information to explain why they aren't quite really, really low, even though it's on other, properties. But also, you know, we we don't know for certain what the elemental composition of the superconducting phases. We know what the what reactants went in. We don't we we believe we have an idea of of the crystal structure and and what's in it.

But until you get the direct measurement of the authentic superconducting phase, you don't know for certain. So I should really just back up and say, we need a lot more and more, hard measurements of a variety of types.

Andrew, how about you? What else are you looking for? What else are you waiting for? from, the scientists. I just oh, Andrew, just one sec before it, because I forgot. I also pinned and live attempt from the department of condensed matter, con map fees, I think. And they're also baking this as we speak as well. And I think they they had a lot of doubt in the beginning, unless I'm mistaken. And so it's great to see them also trying to replicate. So, Andrew, how about you? What do you also watching out for, what's worth watching out for, and what's gonna what's what's the development that we're starting to get that's going to start justifying some of the hype?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's really interesting. I mean, I mean, I think scientists are rightfully cautious about stoking too much hype in public sentiment because the public is not always so forgiving when the results come back that are mixed, right, that aren't just a clear slam dunk. I think public imagination and the news cycle often doesn't have as much patience and qualification is required to really appreciate the scientific progress. so I think it's reasonable to temper expectations a little bit there.

On the other hand, I think, if my sort of intuition at this point is is correct, which is that this does point towards some interesting new theories that are worth exploring in terms of solid state physics, terms of condensed matter and that these theories could, help greatly inform the search for new materials in similar crisp structures of some more materials or perhaps in, in different ones altogether, but that are just informed with the same, same theoretical basis. And I think, I think the hype is kind of justified, honestly, already.

I mean, even if LK99 isn't the sample we think it is, even if it, you know, if it doesn't meet all of our conditions for super connectivity, but it shows really interesting seeing massive drops and resistance at at high temperatures and so forth. if it acts as a fruitful starting point for future investigations, and those investigations have the possibility to leak to accessible samples and successful materials, then, then yeah, I think we're, I think we're kind of there, but that's, again, more with the long term perspective.

that science is a really diligent methodical enterprise that takes decades and generations and involves a lot of, implicit hands on knowledge.

And so, I have a comment on this last bit. Just just the the events that I've followed for the past week and a half, the amount of collaboration in the open source of science. The fact that, you know, people are saying, well, see, peer review is this process that, you know, would have paused it. And if Juan didn't release the paper, maybe you wouldn't have Kickstarter, like, multiple labs across locations, across language barriers collaborating together and trying to find this out.

I, you know, I wanna believe that the potential of human collaboration, remove language barriers, and the ability to collaborate in real time, and science as it has been done so far have a lot of, like, gravity placed on authority and a lot of, like, process, you know, underlining a lot of the how they should be done. And I think the events of the last week, if they spoke to something is that, you know, the internet can come together and eat the shit out of something until, you know, a cat person in Russia. that nobody believes starts talking to, like, physicists in in Finland.

And I think we have some people in Israel in the group chat as well, and they start collaborating and moving faster and and this adds to, you know, other exponential carriers. So, you know, previous speed may not represent in the next feed is what I'm trying to say, but the rest of what you said, Andrew, I completely hope I didn't like -- Okay.

Can I can I send you?

One sec. One sec.

One sec, Andrew, and then something else. Just one last a couple sentences, I think in general, things that can get the public really interested in science as, as if it, for what it really is, which is a collaboration, but also a competition that can change the world. I mean, you know, millions of people tune into the Super Bowl and, you know, Super Bowl is exciting. We all love teams, whatever. But they're, you know, the, the super will happen every year and some team win and some team lose. Having as much excitement and public opinion, you know, people on the edge of their seat, these unfolding breaking discoveries, I think that's awesome. And I think our culture needs more of that in general.

So, so I think I'm hopeful that, that people are appreciating Big impacts can come from small discoveries, and science is a very egalitarian process in that sense.

Go ahead, Simon.

Okay. Hogen, I want to moderate a high speed. Like, I mean, in our group, I'm like the most optimistic person in the room, and the most optimistic person in the Korean group chat room is at 30%. And, I mean, other people are more pessimistic.

And, we talked about how this is a new class of superconductor, and, it is actually confirmed to be for conducting in another room temperature, but in 100, 110 Kelvin. But, I mean, there are lots of classes of superconductor. And this new class of superconductor may be inferior in every way to already known Schubert Conductor, like the rare or incorporate to Schubert Conductor.

And, I mean, if you listen to the, contact Kim's interview by the South Korean popular Science YouTuber, Shuntakim is very clear that, 1dish per conductor is inferior in many ways compared to 2d3dsuperconductor. So so so it is a trade off. Why it works the if it works in room temperature, why it works is because the trade off the good material properties of the superconductor against working at the room temperature.

So so the it is not enough for the MK99 to work in, the late, let's say, late night, temperature. It really needs to work at the room temperature to be worth it. And, so the thing is I mean, I mean, so so it is inferior in every way compared to superconductivity. We already have except for the two things that it is cheap because it is made of lead and copper. And the another part is that it may be where it may not work in the room temperature.

So so, so it is really important that it it actually works in room temperature and another thing is that it is, it has good material property to make, say, wires and that part is really important. I mean, it could be like the graphene and carbon nanotube. so so let's temper temper down, a high puppy.

Like, I mean, I mean, it is very it is It is my kid's trying to be a skeptic here because I'm the most optimistic person in my group. Like, Okay. Okay. That's all I wanted to say.

Sonia, this is great. I just wanna say this is great. And, I think the the the cautious approach also makes sense for a lot of people. Given given the outcome potential, like, everybody needs to, like, temper a little bit for sure. and, yeah, whoever wants to unmute and go next and those about what we need to see.

Let's say 2 things real fast. So, the first is on the technical side, I think things have gotten a lot better this week. We've gotten nothing, but good news this week. Can all the simulations came out on the side of LK 99. So that was good. And then we have the replications, of course, and then we had the, the paper on the superconductivity at low temperatures. So that was all good, but I do have one worry is that, like, I never approached this LK99. Is it real issue, like, from examining the technical details. My my theory coming in was always, like, were these people telling the truth?

It's like, because if the things they were telling if they if the things that were written in the paper were true, then it is a a superconductor. Right? So my I was just doing a probability of whether or not these people were lying or not. And initially, it seemed like they had definitely no reason to lie. their behavior this week seems a little suspect, I would say. So although the technical, the aspects, again, everything looked good behaviorally, the refusal to provide the sample to the MIT, group, the verification committee.

Right. That's not verified. Hold on. I saw multiple folks retweet this, and I I verified that Jesus was in our spaces, and there was no refusal with MIT. And MIT didn't, as far as we've seen on the internet, at least, and Jesus was in charge of this, I DM them specifically. I saw types fast, the guy I forgot his name. Ryan something, from ship. I'm I'm very badly named, but, he he boosted this idea, and I verified with school, worked in an IT, and he he was in charge of, like, this room. So I wanna, like, make this one. Alright. Fantastic.

There was an MML International conference in Korea potentially, this was the reason why Kwan kind of repeat this because he eventually got to speak there a week after the release, and he presented the material He's no longer affiliated with Qson that we know the threats. So, like, Juan is like a rogue person, and we don't know what led to his release. We only know, like, the official stuff. There is an interview with him. Some I don't know if you have a a link to that, but if folks are interested, I think, Juan also reached a, I think MIT folks were there for the conference. They didn't kinda get an invite and then didn't get a sample. They were there for the conference. And as far as we know, they just tried to get a sample and didn't succeed.

There was no refusal. and kind of the meme started with Jesus and and moved forward with, like, the they refused MIT scientist to get, a sample.

Alright. I understand.

Alright.

Great news. But, just the the, last thing last thing, and then I'll pass it on, is that the statement that the queue center, they were broke and they had loans and they needed money. That that was also, like, okay. Now now if I understand correctly that the group was sort of short on money, the probability that they would try something, you know, sort of goes up. So again, next week, technical is good, behaviorally, you know, a little suspect, I would say.

So -- So I'm not a scientist, but I wanna react to many of the stuff that you're saying, that way I see them because I also looked at the human element. This is why I try to underline this, like, 8 to buy. who are the working people? Who is the human element behind this? And, this is why we and Andrew, I think you you had a chat about age scores and over in mixing, with them with with Robert as well. This is why we're, like, Finn, like, the age score of him that came. this he's still standing behind However, it seemed that, like, what you're implying, not you're implying. Sorry.

The implication here is, if they are there's something shady, something sauce like you said. The implication is they're doing this on purpose, and it's all a sham, and it does not seem like these people are capable. This I don't think anybody in Q center understands the reality in meme nature of Twitter. And I I don't think that they I I think they just got that got by surprise completely with -- Oh, yeah. I know. I want to say -- -- all reactionary. And if it's all reactionary, however, the credentials are there for them, and the credentials definitely there for him, Dakim. And now he's, like, taking the public stance that, hey, you know, the paper release wasn't, agreed by all the authors. ever, the science is solid. He's this is the stance he's taking.

I don't think that, like, anything we see is on purpose. I I will I do wanna hear some something else. And then from 8 to 5, who just joined us and, hopefully, has a story for us as well.

So so so I haven't completed the verification of this story, but, our current understanding of the situation with MIT is a sample request and is that as you said, that MIT people were not specifically in Korea for this. They were I there was an MML 2023, conference anyway, and they were attending the conference. And the, this conference happened to be in the Korea University. And, you know, 1 of the author of the 3 authors, paper form.

So affiliation is a Korea university, and everyone attend attending said to the organizer it is the absolute that, some people from Korean university did the world changing, breaking research, and we are at Korea University, and we cannot hear about it. So they contacted Kwan and Kwan came to the conference and presented and, he had, one sample material at hand And someone asked for the, can can can you, get this sample and measure it properly? And Kwan refused.

And Kwan, after that, he interviewed about why he refused because, as we already know, he left the company 4 months ago, but he had a sample because, I mean, I mean, Kwan is listed together in the patent. and he was an important insider and collaborator for a long time. So maybe he just took a simple word whether whether it was also right by the queue center or, I mean, I mean, I don't know what what he has the sample, but that is the only sample. And, I mean, he wants to keep the samples, so he couldn't share it to MIT.

This part is very understandable.

So, I wasn't hired to hate the party. It started with a fairly small account and started telling the story, and then grew very quickly, and, he is focusing together with Duncan. I I tend to try to help I think, on the human kind of story of all of this, I I I kind of I kind of, you know, as you know, I speculate based on facts.

Right? So I'm not I'm I'm not I'm not I find myself, like, not you know, holding on to the facts that tightly instead, I kind of float above the facts and try to place them in what would make sense in context. so my read is not that it's sus. My read is J. H. Kim. is the only one who hasn't given an interview at this point. All these other guys are posturing. J. Kim is not right? He's working hard. What is he working on?

And my, you know, my guess is they know that this is the beginning of this kind of one dimensional superconductors. They know that there are better ones, and they are searching for them. And so then it becomes clear. Like, what they're doing right now is that they they're happy to put the paper out, but they don't want to, like, get everyone in the world, like, super, super, you know, you know, fast. You know, they still need to create a little bit of a competitive advantage, a little bit of a moat. So they're they're creating that kind of distance. They're not interested in, like like, done with the verification. Like, basically, they're living 3 years in the future. Right?

So their concerns are not our concerns. Their concerns are living 3 years in the future. if you had, like, Apple stock, you know, if you knew Apple stock price 3 years in the future, what would you do? That is the question that they are facing. They don't have the same concerns that we do. We're like, oh my god. Is it real? They're like, dude, it's been real for me for 3 years. Can you get about it. I'm not interested in helping you figure out if it's real, man.

Like, you guys -- -- 24 years.

Yeah. So I've I've already put the marker in. I've put the paper out, do your own research. Do not bother me anymore. My concerns are making money.

and application and patenting and selling this to the, you you know, in case this replicates, like the you know, doing a lot of stuff with it. if I think it, that's a great that's a great comment.

I think -- Yeah. It hopes that they have, like, a patent on the, like, entire periodic table. If you take a look at the patent, they have, like, whole how many combinations of elements did they get under this patent? I'm not sure which patent of office approved this, but they they really got a windfall there.

Alright, folks. I think at this point, looks like we lost North Andrew, you dropped because of connection or you just said goodbye it silently. at this point, we've been at this for 2 hours 20 minutes. I promise you, like, that we'll we'll wrap after 2 hours. some some other folks give us this, comments as well that, you know, this tend to drone on too long and sometimes at the end, we get loose. So I just wanna finish on several things. I I wanna talk about, 1st of all, folks on stage without whom it was you know, impossible for me to stay up to date, and we all kind of try to present you the best informations as we have them.

And it now starts to have, like, an international room of collaboration within scientists and people who are excited and storytellers, and I absolutely love that. So I wanna say thanks to Sankan and floats and ate the pie and Eli and Andrew who's here, Andrew. the other Andrew, the state cowboy, Andrew, Iris and Nelke. I wanna say thanks to all of these folks who just join and kinda collaborate together. And I wanna thank all of you to also letting me house these spaces because obviously not scientist, definitely a hype guy, definitely definitely a hype guy, but obviously not a scientist. And so I thank Sankan for, like, chilling the room a little bit moderating the hype as well.

However, I do feel personally, that some amount of hype is warranted always. I believe in humanity. I believe in, potential. I believe in exponential improvement, and I see all things including here. So if this is a new area of exploration, and that's it. I think that's already incredible. if this is like what Andrew just said and Eli, you're doing this as well greatly. If this shows that science is cool again, and science is exciting, added to the fact that, you know, we all know we're gonna have, like, a persona for science in terms of AI. I think it's incredible.

I think, like, showing kids around the world what can be achieved in a fucking week after a paper released, and now every lab in the world is trying to replicate this think it's incredibly important for, you know, progress and positivity in going forward. And I hope to have these spaces at least weekly. I don't know how many you folks who'll join weekly. I hope to have this space at least weekly to kinda keep updates and, see how we shake up. I don't feel personally that this is a graphic situation. I just don't feel it. I feel the energy. I feel multiple people trying to replicate. I talk to multiple people Eli. We've talked to multiple, like, scientists, you know, professors in different labs the draft. There's not a lot of people who are saying, this is how this fails.

This is how this turns into graphene. This is how this doesn't work. There's not a lot of scientists that say this. However, some of the physicists that we had in the spaces, they say insane things. Like, one of the physicists, you know, that we had a thin I invited him. He couldn't join. He started saying things like, well, we could have planes that levitate with no, with no engines. given that this, you know, is potentially turns out to be true. Now I know, Sangham, you you asked for a reduced of high, but this is the end in I'm allowed. and when the physicist says this to me, and then he ends up, why not? And, you know, I think it's very, very exciting.

And so I've, you know, I've held together the excitement for 2 hours almost 20 minutes. I wanna end on the positive note for all folks in the audience mean, the science may not interest in that much. I think the the collaboration is incredible between multiple people around the world, you know, I think the language barriers, as I see them are following, we have multiple people collaborating without knowing the language without speaking, copying and pasting each other. And, I you know, we'll we'll keep bringing up this, and thanks for everyone on the stage for, joining and explaining and being patient with each other And, yeah, hopefully we'll see some replication attempts even tonight, right, floats.

But definitely tomorrow, we're gonna see some very interesting things. And with that, follow the list of people that we have, follow flows, follow-up 80 by follow Eli for Sankan and his team, a huge shout out Sankan without wouldn't have known what happened in Korea. And so I personally wanna thank you for that. You're my Korean friend now. You're the first one. And I really, really appreciate your position and all this. always, in the beginning of the third, your only contribution to this is your ability to speak English, Korean, and Korean will translate. I I call bullshit. contribution here is an important part for at least me and many, many other people. Iris personally, like, respects to you. You have some previous connection.

The fact that you're excited you're investing your personal time in this does not only mean your contribution here. It's just English, so I wanna call out that and and, I really appreciate very much what you do here. Everybody in the audience, feel free to follow these folks, and feel free to join us once we do more of these. some folks said, it's how for them. And as long as it's helpful, we're here. With that, 2 a half hours, I think it's great.

Thank you, everybody, in the audience. Thank you.

Thank you. you so much. Bye bye.

Okay. I I will speak first. Okay. Thank you so much. ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Alex. And I want to do the public service announcement. Like, I think, betting on the, uncertainty is really important and the humanity should use the prediction market much, much more than it currently does. So there is a manifold market and the current market is that 38%. I mean, I said my probability was 30% and it was 30% day.

And, although I I try very hard not to be affected by the March price because I want to be an independent source. so I think the current price has to be too high. So so I mean, everyone here and, people are following to to go to the money board. If you have already have a account to place the bets and if you are not, create a new account and place your bets so that we learn more like, market is an efficient efficient agent to aggregate information.

And, so it is, manipulate a claim on the market, but, I mean, I have, information advantages, like, I know more things than, widely known in the public. So I started with the, 500 mana, and I already quadrupled my play money and money both. like, if you have an information, it's pretty easy to earn the actual money or plain money.